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Reinventing Yourself With Grace: It’s Okay If Your Path Deviates with Rosamaria Mancini (SOS Podcasts)

• Work Besties Who Podcast • Season 3 • Episode 84

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“New Year, New You” can feel inspiring… until your life takes a turn you didn’t plan. In this episode, Rosamaria Mancini—author of SOS Podcasts—joins us to explore what it really means to reinvent yourself when your path changes, and how to meet that deviation with grace, empathy, and connection.

Rosamaria shares her story of leaving New York and rebuilding her identity through major transitions in Italy and later Germany. From culture shock and learning new rhythms of daily life to loneliness, motherhood, and the challenge of making friends later in adulthood, she offers an honest look at what it takes to start over—without losing yourself in the process.

A standout theme: podcasts as connection. For Rosamaria, podcast voices became a lifeline during isolated seasons—helping her feel less alone, more grounded, and still connected to the world she came from.

If your “future plan” doesn’t look the way you expected this year, this conversation is a reminder: different doesn’t mean wrong—your path can deviate and still be yours.

In this episode, we talk about:

  • When Rosamaria realized she was truly an expat
  • Italy vs. Germany: the emotional whiplash of switching cultures
  • How slowing down can be the key to belonging
  • Friendship abroad + building “chosen family”
  • The “emergency contact” moment that hits expats hard
  • Podcasts as a tool for comfort, learning, and connection
  • The mindset shift: staying true to yourself when plans change

Guest: Rosamaria Mancini

Resources mentioned

  • NPR Life Kit
  • The Daily (The New York Times)
  • Wiser Than Me (Julia Louis-Dreyfus)

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Claude:

When I moved from France to the US, even the grocery store was totally foreign. Everything, taking the bus, was a challenge. You don't realize how much identity lives in your everyday retours until they are gone.

Jess K:

Our guest today, Rosemarie Mancini, lived that twice. Leaving New York for Italy, then Germany. Her memoir SOS Podcast explores motherhood, loneliness, identity shifts, and how podcasts became her lifeline to connection.

Claude:

But this isn't just about the expect life. It's about what happens when the version of you that everyone knew about no longer exists.

Jess K:

Stay with us through the end. Rosemarie shares the one mindset shift that helps you stay connected to yourself even when you're far from everything familiar.

Claude:

Hi, I'm Claude. And I'm Jess. We are corporate employees by day, entrepreneurs by night, and work besties for life.

Jess K:

Join us as we explore how work besties lift each other up, laugh through the chaos, and thrive together in every industry. Work besties.

Claude:

Hi Rosa Maria, how are you?

Rosamaria Mancini:

Hey there, I'm good. Thanks so much for having me on your podcast today. So happy to have you first. Where are you calling from? I'm from Germany. I live in the on the west side of Germany. I'm on the Dutch-Belgian border, which is a great actually location to be. Because if you drive 15 minutes one way, you're in the Netherlands. And if I drive 15 minutes the other way, I'm actually in Belgium. So it's pretty strategic in terms of locations.

Claude:

That is great. So you moved to Italy, you moved to Germany. When was that moment that you realized you were an expat?

Rosamaria Mancini:

But I um when I moved to Italy, you know, I actually thought I was just going to Italy for a year because I went to Italy for work, which is not something that people often really do because Italy doesn't have the highest of like employment rates, but I ended up getting a great job. It was a reporting job. And I thought I was going to stay a year. And then I ended up meeting someone who I later married. After I got into this serious relationship, I realized that I'm probably not going home again. And that's when I started to feel like an expat. But the interesting part was that my Americann-ness started to really come out when I was in Italy. In New York, I was very Italian, or at least I thought I was very Italian. But then when I went to Italy, I was like, I'm so not Italian. I have an Italian name and I speak Italian, but the things I was doing were quite different from what an Italian might actually do. So then I really felt like an expat. In which point? Well, I wasn't very patient in terms of like services-wise. I couldn't understand why there were 50 people in front of me online at the post office. When I first moved, I would go and complain. I would go to the director and be like, is this possible that there's 50 people in front of me? And he would turn around and he said, Signorina, a questo dell'Italia, like this is Italy. I mean, of course there's 50 people in front of you, and it's lunchtime. So what do you expect? So those things I was just really surprised about. But stuff like that, I wasn't very patient. I had that New York fast pace, which I was used to, which in Italy is the complete opposite. Even in a big city like Rome, which was where I lived.

Claude:

The first few times I went to the supermarket, I was waiting for the cashier to back all the grocery. Did you do that? And they look at you because we are supposed to be the one doing it.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Yes, that happened to me too. I was like, why? I mean, are you gonna ask me paper or plastic? And they were like, No, are you going to pack everything? Exactly. You're not you're not doing anything. So yeah, and they're so like I always laughed at the point that they actually in in Europe they sit down when they bag groceries. Well, I mean, while I'm sorry, while they check groceries out, do you know the cashier is actually sitting? While in the US, I I mean they were just standing up and really moving quickly. And I mean, they do move quickly here, at least in Germany, but they sit. And I'm like, oh my god, they sitting. How how weird is that? Completely different.

Jess K:

It's minor things, but it's like very different. Yeah, for sure. Frismery, you made a comment about how coming from the US you noticed the differences between, say, patience and waiting. Were there any other things that you noticed that you then had to figure out ways to change within yourself? Yeah, absolutely.

Rosamaria Mancini:

I loved I moved a little outside of the city of Rome and I would take the train into Rome every day, but there were constant, like every day was a delay. Every single day. They would explain that it was a delay because the train was not prepared. So I just couldn't understand that and I couldn't accept it. I had made friends like your commuter buddies, so I was like, we need to do something. Why don't we sit on the tracks? I was quite young at the time. I was in my late 20s, so I had that fire in me. And they were like, Bossa Maria, we're not doing anything. Like, this is the way it is. And what I learned from that, if I always wanted to be agitated and not enjoy what is Italian life, then I really needed to change. So I had to calm down. I had to like take a step back and I had to accept the way things were. So I realized that if I was going to actually enjoy my life in Italy, then I needed to take a step back. And I needed to accept that this is the way things were, and that Rosa Maria wasn't going to change the way of life in Italy. And I think that that being calm, that slower way of life, which is like La Dolce Vita, that's part of it, you know. So I mean, I I did change for my own sanity, but also because then I started to enjoy my life in Italy much more. Instead of being upset all the time, I was like, oh, I'm I'm delayed. Maybe I'll just get myself a cup of coffee, use that time that way, or window shop, or do something else. I had to make that shift. And I mean, and that shift actually helped me to live a more peaceful and happy life. So it was important, yes, absolutely. But it did take a while, I have to say. It wasn't automatic. It took some time before I realized that I needed to shift.

Claude:

And most likely, I'm sure you had to change again when you went to Germany, because again, it's two different countries, two different ways of living. One is very Mediterranean and the other one is more straight. Exactly. You also had to now to change your Italian way of living to now adapt to the German way of living. Exactly.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Exactly. So yeah, just about at the time where I had kind of found my peace in Italy, I ended up later moving to Germany. And like you said, I mean, the Germans are not like the Italians at all. They are very rule-oriented, uh, they are very strict. It is all about time and order and so forth. So I went from being calm and enjoying life and taking it easy. And not that I was disrespectful, but I was late to things because everybody was late, you know? Um, and then I came here and you're you cannot be late to appointments. You need to be there probably like 15 to 20 minutes earlier out of respect. So it was another shift. And this was actually quite different. While I, I mean, obviously I have Italian roots, so I could connect with the Italian culture and with the language-wise, obviously. But in Germany, it was like the style was different, the language was different. So there were so many different factors to to adjust to. And I and I've had to shift again uh to sort of also find my peace in in this country per se. But that's a work in progress. I haven't completely found it yet.

Jess K:

Rosemary, you've had to reinvent yourself multiple times. In the process of doing that, was there anything that helped bridge the connection to the local culture or ways that you found to help ease yourself into it?

Rosamaria Mancini:

I write about this in my memoir and SOS podcast, but for me, the the biggest transition I have to say was when I moved to Germany. I kind of felt out of place, but I also felt out of place because I didn't speak the language and because I was in a culture that really didn't belong to me. While the Italian culture I felt connected to, and I had like family that also lived in southern Italy. So there was always that connection. But here there wasn't. So for me, the thing that actually helped me was podcasts. What started as sort of intermittent listening became regular listening. And what I found in podcasts was I found these people and these voices that were telling me that what I was feeling at that time was okay. The things that I might have been struggling with at that time was also okay. Like, for example, when I moved to Germany, I was in my late 30s, early 40s. And then, you know, it was hard to make friends. And I would listen to NPR's Live Kit, and they would tell me that making friends in your early 40s is like really hard. It's like getting a tooth pulled. Like that's what they compared it to. That made me feel so much better that it wasn't just me that was struggling. So through podcasts, I was able to sort of deal with some of the issues that I was facing. And I really, of course, enjoyed the intimacy of podcasts. I liked having these voices in my ear and also wanted to stay connected back home to things and issues that I was that I cared about. So I could listen to the daily from the New York Times and find out what the big news issues were. It really helped me to transition to this life that I had to adjust to here in Germany. So they were really my lifeline. Um, they really saved me because I was kind of by myself. My husband went off to work, my daughter went to school, and then it was me. And I was like, what do I do with myself? Um, you know, who do I talk to? Yeah. So I had my podcast library, I could pick and choose what I wanted to listen to.

Jess K:

What was it that caused you to become so connected to these podcasts?

Rosamaria Mancini:

Well, I think, you know, I think the things that I was going through at the time actually helped me. Like at one point when I moved to Germany, I would say less than a year later, I ended up getting pregnant with my second child. Um, so I needed to, you know, had had obviously experience from a first child. The world changes and things change. Like I turned to a lot of like pregnancy podcasts to sort of help me with the different moments that I was going through. At the same time, I was listening to a lot of parenting podcasts to help me with my daughter. Um, and you know, I mean, I always was wondering. I did a lot of listening about like bilingualism. So I really wanted to make sure that my daughter spoke English. Of course, she spoke Italian, but she was little. And then, of course, they speak German. So I was worried at first that my kids were learning too many languages. But after I listened to podcasts, they were like, no, they're sponges. Don't worry about it. It's all for the better. So it was really about helping me get through those different moments. And I'm a bit of a news junkie, so I really like news podcasts. I want to know what's going on in the world, and that would always help me, especially when you live in a place that is not um, I mean, New York is the center of, at least for me, is part of like what we would consider the center of the world. I live in a rural town, it's in the middle of nowhere, it's strategically located, but we have bison up the block. People have chickens in there. I've obviously come to appreciate it and it offers a nice quality of life, but it doesn't help me to stay connected with what's going on. So podcasts were filling that void for me and they still fill that void for me.

Jess K:

You're able to find your niche in your community without having to to physically walk out the door to get to get it from everybody. Exactly. Which is great.

Claude:

It's so funny how how you're saying, you know, the difference with the culture with Italy and Germany. My co uh my cousin actually lived for years in the Netherlands. He was working for the UN and he married uh Italian woman and she moved to Netherlands and she also had a very, very hard time because again, it's two different, completely different cultures. Yeah.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Yeah, it's completely different. I mean, even the weather is really challenging. New York is very cold in the winter. I know my New York winters, but the sun shines, right? Like the sun shines, it's that brutal cold, but it's sunny. Like it rains like probably over 180 days a year here. So it's gray. It's gray. You're like Seattle. Yeah, and I mean, and the Netherlands is like the same. The Netherlands is kind of like very rainy and wet. So that that's hard. So I mean, I remember during like when I first got here, like I was listening to a podcast, I think if I remember correctly, it was called the Good News Podcast. Because I just was like, I need good news, you know? So like it would just tell you like little snippets of good things that people were doing all over the world. And I was like, oh, that's gonna bring me a little sunshine on a day when it's been pouring all day and the sky has been gray for hours. So yes, definitely, a definitely a change from Italy where the sun shines a lot and the weather is just more moderate and temperate.

Jess K:

That is a good trick to to think about when you are down. Most people listen to like a song, but you could also listen to a podcast just to find those positive little bits of yeah. Could even work uh listen to the work best you're gonna do.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Yes, listen to us. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, because you you do need you need people to laugh with you. Yeah, you know. Laughter is also infectious. If if you see other people having a good time, you have it with them, you know?

Jess K:

Yeah, it's it's contagious, exactly. They always say the best way to turn discomfort into some type of connection is laughter. Laughter with people will always find that. Uh Rosamarie, so you have rebuilt your identity multiple times. I was wondering if you would share with us as your career framework changed in your life as you jumped from country to country, knowing you probably had ideas of what success for your life would be, how did you reframe success for yourself?

Rosamaria Mancini:

That's a good question. When I moved to Italy, I was really career focused. I was just there to work and do what I needed to do and then go back to New York and advance in my career as a journalist. And when I stayed in Italy, that obviously changed things a lot. Um, and I had to sort of deal with the decision of putting my career and my idea for what my career was going to be second and also in a different place because Rome is fantastic, but it is not New York in terms of opportunities for journalists and also English-speaking journalists. I mean, I speak Italian, but I am not most fluent in terms of writing Italian. I wouldn't be able to work for an Italian news organization in that sense. So, what did I do? I I thought about how I could actually change and reinvent myself. And so I I moved into communications and so still in the area of journalism, but I moved into communications and I was really lucky. I worked in the Vatican's press office, which was amazing. Um I worked when um Pope Benedict was Pope. Um, so that's in the 2008, 2009, that period. So I got this fantastic opportunity through my journalism contacts to work in the press office there. And I did that. And I actually loved it because it was amazing. And I also realized that it afforded me more of a life than the career that I was having in journalism, which was high stress. There's a 24-hour news cycle, so I was always on call. And while the communications in the Vatican was highly sensitive, it's not a news organization. So it offered me an opportunity to actually be calmer while also having career. So, in essence, I from something that I thought was going to be a negative, it actually turned out to be a positive. So I realized I could work in communications and still be satisfied doing it in this other way. So that's what I did when I was in Italy. And then when I moved to Germany, I had to leave all of that, which was really hard, I have to say. And you make these sacrifices for your partner, but my husband's job took precedence. Um, he was in the Air Force. So we had to basically come. We had a choice. So we came and there I was. I had left my my great gig at the Vatican, and I'm like, what am I gonna do here? So as I was walking around, I did walk a lot when I first got here because German people walk. I don't know where they're going. They really don't have a destination, but they just walk around. They like to walk. I think they're in New York Currents.

Jess K:

We walk around and stand in lines and don't even know what the lines are about.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Okay, well then that see, you see, there are similarities. I didn't know that. So they walk a lot. I I would notice that they're just always walking around and around. So I was like, I'm gonna do that too. And I would stick my earbuds in and do that. But while I was walking around, I thought like maybe I'll use my time here to get a PhD. So I signed up for a PhD program. I'll do this during the time that I'm gonna be here because we had originally planned to only be in Germany for four years. So I said I'll I'll get a PhD. But you know, I was also not a young student. And at the time I had a child and I was pregnant with my second. So it wasn't the easiest situation to be in. I thought, like, what better place to do this while I'm waiting out this period when my husband will then get sent back to Rome. So that's what I did when I was here. And again, like, you know, changing it up a bit, thinking that when I'm finished, it'll open up some other opportunity for me. But at least I'll be doing something constructive and actually quite challenging because it's it was really probably one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life. I didn't realize it was that hard, to be honest with you. I was like, oh, I'll just get a PhD. And then I was like, oh my God, this is like torturous, you know, really put my strength of will to the test. Because at one point I was like, I don't know if I can if I'm gonna make it through. It was hard. But again, I I reinvented myself and was like, all right, I'll do this. So that's what I did when I when I first moved to Germany.

Jess K:

You wrote the SOS podcast. Where did that fit into this whole Yeah?

Rosamaria Mancini:

So I um that was my PhD project. Okay. So I got a PhD in creative writing. So I had originally thought loved I was really interested in podcasts, and I thought I was going to study them from an academic perspective and a journalism perspective. But then I started talking to my my tutors at the university about how I was using them to help myself through this moment that I was living through. And they're like, well, why don't you just write about that? Because that's really interesting. So then that's what I did. So I turned my PhD studies, my at least the creative part is the is the memoir, is the book. And then I had to do a whole academic dissertation part, um, you know, studying podcasts and how they're used. That's how the book came about. It's the result of my PhD studies, which I thought why I would be done with in three years, but it actually took six.

Claude:

Yeah, it took six. But you also had a child in the middle when you came and everything. So Yeah.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Yeah, and that was why I mean I had two kids and I was trying to study and feeding one, and the other one was constantly asking me, yes. And then there was COVID. It was just everything and anything happened. So and were you did you do your PhD? I got my PhD at Swansea University, which is in Wales. I'm in the UK. So I would go to the UK just probably about once a year to check in with my tutors and and see them, but the most of it was online. I have to say that like that was the thing I I missed a lot, having this sort of social network because I loved having that at the at the Vatican. It was like actually quite fantastic because it was like a network of like priests and also lay people. But like, you know, if you had a problem or you needed to talk to somebody about something, you'd go to the the door of the priest. Because those were my bosses. They were priests and monsignors. So it'd be like, I'm struggling with this today. He'd be like, Oh, just go to mass, go say a prayer, you're fine. Yeah, there was this whole connection and this community of people. And then when you don't have that, and then you're in a foreign country, it's hard because you you do feel isolated and you feel kind of. And you feel alone. And friendships are important.

Jess K:

How did you find your people then in this new place?

Rosamaria Mancini:

I'm an introvert, I have to say. I'm not the sort of the light at a party. I kind of tend to stick to myself, but I I have understood being far away from my family, which I have a very close connection with, that I actually need people that that you need friends, that you need a community of people because it's just important. You need to be able to socialize to get out there. So I've tried to find a community through my children and through their friendships. I try to volunteer more for things so that I'm out there communicating with people. And then, you know, when I when I volunteer, at least I feel like I'm doing something. So if it's socially awkward, then I could be like, oh, I have to do something. So it's actually great. It works because you socialize, but then you have something else to do. So it's actually a nice mix for me. So I have to say that. So that those are the things I try to put myself out there in that regard. Is it easy? No, it's not. It's actually not. But it's definitely possible. You have to be willing to put yourself out there because it is easy to stay in your lane. And it's great. I mean, I feel like I have a lot of friends through my, I think they're my friends because I hear them all the time. And I'm like, what is Julia Louis Dreyfist gonna say on the Wiser Than Me podcast this week? Who's she gonna talk to? Uh, in some ways I feel connected, but um, I also understand that like those physical relationships are obviously very also important as well.

Jess K:

With living abroad, how has the definition or your interpretation of friendship, how has that changed?

Rosamaria Mancini:

It's changed a lot because when I'm when I lived in New York, I had such a tight-knit family and an Italian-American family that we were always there for each other. I mean, I also have a sister. So when you have a sister, you feel like you don't need anybody else. You have a built-in friend, always there. And my sister's great. I could always count on her. But when you live overseas and you're far away from those core people, your friends also take on a different role. And that might mean these are people that I might trust to watch my kids. Or the hardest part for me was when they ask you at school, who is your emergency contact? And when I first got to Germany, I was like, who is my emergency contact? I don't have an emergency contact. This is so scary. But I have a few now, so that's great. Yeah. So you know that friendship becomes even more important because you're away from your family. And it they're not, they're not replacing your family, but at the same time, they become Yeah, they can they can replace your your family.

Claude:

I think that especially with the change of hour, if something happens, of course, you cannot call wake up at three o'clock in the morning your family, right? So exactly can't speak to your family. I mean, I don't know, for me, I know that obviously my family is going to be my family, but my friends are becoming my family as well.

Rosamaria Mancini:

You're right, you're right. I think sometimes you feel like that you're like betraying them. If you're like, or I feel like I would betray my family to be like, oh my God, they're kind of like my family. But I think you're right. I think they do kind of fill that that role because it's people that like, if you have a problem, like I can't call my mom at three in the morning. I'll give her a heart attack, you know, if I call her at three in the morning. But I can call my neighbor or I can call my friend and be like, hey, I'm in a bind. Can you help me? My husband's away, or can you grab my kid from school or something along those lines? So the friendships become even more important when you're overseas and you're trying to handle it all per se.

Jess K:

It's not saying it's like the family that you choose, choose versus the family or that you're born with. Yeah. Exactly. It's just an extension of family. It's not to your point that you're placing one versus the other in any way. You're just expanding it. Exactly. Yeah. And I think it's it's helpful because you do need to have people locally, not just to back up for kids, but I that's super important too. But even just to connect with and have that ability to vent, it's kind of like having your work on the city. Work bestie, right? You need somebody that's going to be in the trenches with you, understand what you're going through. Exactly.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Exactly.

Claude:

So I wanted obviously well work bestie podcast, right? And I loved what you said earlier when you were working for the Vatican that you had a group of people. So, in which aspect were they so important doing your work there? And are you stay still staying in contact with them? Sure.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Yeah, I I still am in contact with some of my um former colleagues and quote-unquote work besties from my time at the Vatican. We do talk once in a while. The cover of SOS podcasts was uh designed by my Vatican colleague who she was our graphic designer there at the at the Vatican. So she, Marusayez, she's from Mexico. She was an expat like me. And I think you do connect with the expats, I have to say too. It doesn't matter where they're from, but they're like a fish out of water like you. I'm still in contact with those friends from the Vatican. And I do think they get it because they're in the trenches with you. We would laugh. I had a colleague say to me when I started working at the Vatican, um, and I as you can see my nails now, she said that we weren't allowed to wear like dark colored nail polish at the Vatican. And I was like, what? And she's like, no. Um, so, or and she's like, and you're not allowed to like expose your toes, no sandals at work. This is Rome, and Rome is like really hot in the summer. I cannot wear closed toe shoes. And they're like Jesuits, you know, the Jesuits, they wear like the the Birkenstock shoes. I was like, what are what is she talking about? But I had this collector, but then like I could talk to my other colleagues about it and they'd be like, Oh, don't listen to her. She's just an extremist. It's that kind of stuff that your like your work besties like understand and can help you through even the the craziness, yes, right, of what somebody might say at work or something along those lines. Yeah.

Jess K:

Oh my god, that's scary.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Yeah, they were like, no, I mean, I I hardly wore, like I only wore like baby pink. It was like my baby pink phase when I worked at the Vatican because they were like, no, don't wear anything dark. Well, no, well, I would bid you should wear red. Yeah, no. Now I'm I think now I'm you're making up for it. Now I'm making up for it. I'm like red, yes.

Claude:

So earlier we asked, how do you stay connected to yourself when everything familiar disappears? So, what would be your your answer now?

Rosamaria Mancini:

You do that by by not poning limits on yourself. So for me, it's really been about managing my own expectations for myself and what I had planned to do with my life and where I am with it now. I had a picture of what Rosamaria would do and what her plans were. And all of this, moving to Italy, living in Germany now, um, and potentially staying here for some time now, were not in the cards at all. But it doesn't mean that I I'm not me. Um, it just means that my path has taken a different turn, but that I'm still on my path. And, you know, I I haven't met my own expectations for what I had planned for myself, but I have carved out a new path for myself at a different stage in my life. What I planned is not what happened, but I'm still Rosa Maria and I'm still like ambitious and want to do great things. I'm just doing them a little differently and at a different stage. And and that's okay. That's how you remain true to yourself by keeping at your goals, even if they're if they change along the way, but just keep at it and and and knowing that there is a place for you and you can make your mark, but you also have to be happy doing it.

Claude:

That's great. And accepting that it's it went to a different shift.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Yeah, it went a different way. If someone told me, oh, you're gonna live in Germany, I'd be like, Germany, get out of here. But now I like Germany. It's home for my kids. They love Germany. Their happiness is also my happiness. You find that equilibrium, but it's work. Definitely work. Rosamaria, if people want to learn more about you. I have a website that's just my name, so it's rosamaria mancini.com. I'm on all the major social media pages, so you can follow me there and learn more about my book and where you can access it. And again, your book is called the SOS Podcasts, right?

Jess K:

Correct. SOS Podcasts. Thank you so much, Rosamaria. We so thoroughly enjoyed this. I found your stories empowering and also a great reminder that no matter where you are in life and in the world, you can always find work besties, you can always find people that can help and support you and create your new family no matter where you are. So till next time and keep supporting each other. Thank you. Remember, whether you're swapping snacks in the break room, rescuing each other from endless meetings, or just sending that perfectly timed meme. Having a work bestie is like having your own personal hype squad.

Claude:

So keep lifting each other up, laughing through the chaos, and of course, thriving. Until next time, stay positive, stay productive, and don't forget to keep supporting each other.

Rosamaria Mancini:

Work besties.

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